Comments for alexmcmanus.org http://alexmcmanus.org Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:46:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on Welcome to the Journey, Rob Bell. by Tim Wright http://alexmcmanus.org/2011/03/16/welcome-to-the-journey-rob-bell/comment-page-1/#comment-339107 Tim Wright Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:46:58 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=1280#comment-339107 Hi, A lttle time can be helpful to not only see, but hopefully hear what people are saying. In a recent radio.dialogue withAdrian Warnock in the UK on Premiere Christian Radio, Rob said that hoped that people would still be able to receive a revelation of Christ after they have physically died. I find this contrary to Scripture. While I hope that my earthly father received Jesus when he waas dieing, we have no evidence of this in his life. I assume my father is in hell forever because he rejected jesus. I don't like this thought but my father had a long life and ample opportunity. I hope Rob grows out of this error but he could be like my dad and stick ro his guns in this one area. Tim Hi,

A lttle time can be helpful to not only see, but hopefully hear what people are saying. In a recent radio.dialogue withAdrian Warnock in the UK on Premiere Christian Radio, Rob said that hoped that people would still be able to receive a revelation of Christ after they have physically died. I find this contrary to Scripture. While I hope that my earthly father received Jesus when he waas dieing, we have no evidence of this in his life. I assume my father is in hell forever because he rejected jesus. I don’t like this thought but my father had a long life and ample opportunity.

I hope Rob grows out of this error but he could be like my dad and stick ro his guns in this one area.

Tim

]]> Comment on The Bible as Human Literature by Bianca http://alexmcmanus.org/2009/05/26/the-bible-as-human-literature/comment-page-2/#comment-336804 Bianca Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:50:25 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=587#comment-336804 Simply put, if we think of the Bible as a work of human liturature then we equate it to a plethora of works designed and inspired by the human mind. As a sort of novel, a collection of fantastical experiences at best, and just as a moral guide to live by. And yet it is not those things. The Bible is divinely inspired by God and humans are merely the scribes of the events that took place (and teach us how to live today from past failures and experiences of the chosen nation Israel,something each nation and person can identify with and see themselves within the pages)and most importantly of supernatural knowledge and wisdom that is imparted to us, His creation. Mr. Macmus seems to imply (at least to me) that it is merely a great philosophical work and set of works of knowledge, wisdom, and moral codes that are good to live by and apply in our daily lives. Yet the Bible is so much more. The Bible, Christianity is not a religion. It is a way of living. It gives us the historical account of who we are, what we are capable of and directs us with love in how we should live in order to be successful in our daily walk, and in bringing each and every person in this world to have an intimate relationship with Him. To know Him, Jesus Christ our father God personally, as we do people. Very thorough and well put piece, Bret! Simply put, if we think of the Bible as a work of human liturature then we equate it to a plethora of works designed and inspired by the human mind. As a sort of novel, a collection of fantastical experiences at best, and just as a moral guide to live by. And yet it is not those things. The Bible is divinely inspired by God and humans are merely the scribes of the events that took place (and teach us how to live today from past failures and experiences of the chosen nation Israel,something each nation and person can identify with and see themselves within the pages)and most importantly of supernatural knowledge and wisdom that is imparted to us, His creation.

Mr. Macmus seems to imply (at least to me) that it is merely a great philosophical work and set of works of knowledge, wisdom, and moral codes that are good to live by and apply in our daily lives. Yet the Bible is so much more. The Bible, Christianity is not a religion. It is a way of living. It gives us the historical account of who we are, what we are capable of and directs us with love in how we should live in order to be successful in our daily walk, and in bringing each and every person in this world to have an intimate relationship with Him. To know Him, Jesus Christ our father God personally, as we do people.

Very thorough and well put piece, Bret!

]]> Comment on Is Mosaic a part of the Emerging Church? by Bianca http://alexmcmanus.org/2006/08/01/are-mosaic-and-bethel-part-of-the-emerging-church/comment-page-2/#comment-336694 Bianca Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:17:36 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=162#comment-336694 Hello, With all do respect sir I have also read Brannon's article and to me it is a very clear editorial about the direction churches like Mosaic, Kensington.. are leading those who attend them. That is whether you and Erwin Mc., are calling yourself Emerging or Emergent or not. First of all, I checked the mosaic website and it is at best very vague. Their is nothing written about the tenants of the Bible,Christianity and beliefs of your church. It is just a hodgepodge of "let's get together", for a mission. What mission is not clearly stated. Groups and meetings..community Yes it is good to get together as Christians but it is important to preach against sin..adultery,homosexuality,abortion, stealing, lying...and of course many others. Yet leaders like you and your brother are vague and don't draw a clear line in what you are trying to accomplish. To some it is. Is it in numbers, number of people coming through the doors? The number of youth? Yes youth...come as you are..but change! Preach the tenants of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as they are written in the Bible and preach against sin! That's what the people need to hear about, the good news of Salvation in Jesus Christ only. He only came to set the captives free! It's not mystical. It's The Truth. Hello,

With all do respect sir I have also read Brannon’s article and to me it is a very clear editorial about the direction churches like Mosaic, Kensington.. are leading those who attend them. That is whether you and Erwin Mc., are calling yourself Emerging or Emergent or not. First of all, I checked the mosaic website and it is at best very vague. Their is nothing written about the tenants of the Bible,Christianity and beliefs of your church. It is just a hodgepodge of “let’s get together”, for a mission. What mission is not clearly stated. Groups and meetings..community Yes it is good to get together as Christians but it is important to preach against sin..adultery,homosexuality,abortion, stealing, lying…and of course many others. Yet leaders like you and your brother are vague and don’t draw a clear line in what you are trying to accomplish. To some it is. Is it in numbers, number of people coming through the doors? The number of youth? Yes youth…come as you are..but change! Preach the tenants of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as they are written in the Bible and preach against sin! That’s what the people need to hear about, the good news of Salvation in Jesus Christ only. He only came to set the captives free! It’s not mystical. It’s The Truth.

]]> Comment on The IMN by Tim Hodges http://alexmcmanus.org/imn_general-info/comment-page-1/#comment-331150 Tim Hodges Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:02:44 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/index.php/imn_general-info/#comment-331150 Hey Alex and Adriana, What does one say after a decade? I have only now just learned how to operate a computer {about 2 month). Congratulations on your endeavors and the blessings that it all has brought you and the entire family! Seeing your picture--- you haven't changed at all. You might be surprised at my appearance though. This might not be the time right now, but, whenever you get the time it would sure be great to hear from you. Think about all of you constantly; Micheal is 23? If I saw him and Erica right now, I'd feel like I was in a time warp! Grace and Peace to you and the family. Tim Hey Alex and Adriana,

What does one say after a decade? I have only now just learned how to operate a computer {about 2 month). Congratulations on your endeavors and the blessings that it all has brought you and the entire family! Seeing your picture— you haven’t changed at all. You might be surprised at my appearance though. This might not be the time right now, but, whenever you get the time it would sure be great to hear from you. Think about all of you constantly; Micheal is 23? If I saw him and Erica right now, I’d feel like I was in a time warp! Grace and Peace to you and the family.

Tim

]]> Comment on Murmuration by Mike Schmitt http://alexmcmanus.org/2011/11/04/murmuration/comment-page-1/#comment-329985 Mike Schmitt Sat, 05 Nov 2011 05:06:14 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=1421#comment-329985 Wow!! That's so beautiful!! Thank you for sharing that! Wow!! That’s so beautiful!! Thank you for sharing that!

]]> Comment on Mega Church and Home Church Networks: Twin Trajectories and Why We Need Them Both by Craig Boyer http://alexmcmanus.org/2006/10/22/mega-church-and-home-church-networks-twin-trajectories-and-why-we-need-them-both/comment-page-1/#comment-311890 Craig Boyer Tue, 13 Sep 2011 23:37:20 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=195#comment-311890 Dude- awesome post....... I'm about a year late reading it but whatever :-) I'm gonna copy, paste, and print it so I can reflect on it ........ and I'm not easily impressed. :-) Say hi to Robbie Bell - laters craig Dude-
awesome post……. I’m about a year late reading it but whatever :-) I’m gonna copy, paste, and print it so I can reflect on it …….. and I’m not easily impressed. :-)

Say hi to Robbie Bell –
laters

craig

]]> Comment on Welcome to the Journey, Rob Bell. by Eric Jones http://alexmcmanus.org/2011/03/16/welcome-to-the-journey-rob-bell/comment-page-1/#comment-280379 Eric Jones Sun, 15 May 2011 18:11:54 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=1280#comment-280379 I've enjoyed Rob's other books and aspects of this one, but it's a little discouraging to me to see in this book how the offensiveness of the Gospel can prevent even the most gifted of thinkers from embracing and teaching it clearly. After setting up a false dilemma as to whether Christ is more concerned with our “getting in” or with loving others; and then setting up as a straw-man a mythical class of churches that care only for “getting in” to the exclusion of loving others, he comes up with yet another in a long line of vague extra-scriptural descriptions of how one actually goes about gaining eternal life. He says that we need to “trust that we are loved . . . [that] a new word has been spoken about us and [that] a new story is being told about us” which, other than curiously employing the passive voice to avoid identifying who it is that’s doing the loving, speaking, and story-telling; is a statement arguably no less vague or lacking in scriptural support than time-honored descriptions like “accepting Christ into your heart”, “making a decision to follow Christ”, “entering into a relationship with Jesus”, “receiving/accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior”, etc. So, I don’t really know what all the fuss is about, except that it appears to be just another example of how jealously we tend to guard and defend our own extra-scriptural descriptions of salvation against those of others, and how we consistently avoid using the one English word that translates most naturally from the Greek word used in at least fifty verses of scripture to describe what's necessary to gain assurance of salvation. Seems we all fear, at least subconsciously, that if we use that word, and let on that Christ actually promised assurance to “all who believe”, we’ll lose whatever power or influence we currently exercise over followers - that we'll no longer be able to compel good works by holding people in fear of their salvation. Despite the clear, categorical statements found in at least 50 verses of scripture, like most of us, it appears that Rob Bell can’t let himself believe that belief alone can accomplish anything of value. I’ve enjoyed Rob’s other books and aspects of this one, but it’s a little discouraging to me to see in this book how the offensiveness of the Gospel can prevent even the most gifted of thinkers from embracing and teaching it clearly. After setting up a false dilemma as to whether Christ is more concerned with our “getting in” or with loving others; and then setting up as a straw-man a mythical class of churches that care only for “getting in” to the exclusion of loving others, he comes up with yet another in a long line of vague extra-scriptural descriptions of how one actually goes about gaining eternal life. He says that we need to “trust that we are loved . . . [that] a new word has been spoken about us and [that] a new story is being told about us” which, other than curiously employing the passive voice to avoid identifying who it is that’s doing the loving, speaking, and story-telling; is a statement arguably no less vague or lacking in scriptural support than time-honored descriptions like “accepting Christ into your heart”, “making a decision to follow Christ”, “entering into a relationship with Jesus”, “receiving/accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior”, etc. So, I don’t really know what all the fuss is about, except that it appears to be just another example of how jealously we tend to guard and defend our own extra-scriptural descriptions of salvation against those of others, and how we consistently avoid using the one English word that translates most naturally from the Greek word used in at least fifty verses of scripture to describe what’s necessary to gain assurance of salvation. Seems we all fear, at least subconsciously, that if we use that word, and let on that Christ actually promised assurance to “all who believe”, we’ll lose whatever power or influence we currently exercise over followers – that we’ll no longer be able to compel good works by holding people in fear of their salvation. Despite the clear, categorical statements found in at least 50 verses of scripture, like most of us, it appears that Rob Bell can’t let himself believe that belief alone can accomplish anything of value.

]]> Comment on When it Comes to the Bible, Many Christians are disciples of Descartes by Alex McManus http://alexmcmanus.org/2009/05/26/when-it-comes-to-the-bible-many-christians-are-disciples-of-descartes/comment-page-1/#comment-280211 Alex McManus Sat, 14 May 2011 19:48:17 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=663#comment-280211 Hey James, Thanks for the question. I think that what we have in the Bible is eye-witness accounts that have been codified by a community of faith. That means that all the properties of eye-witness testimony apply, both the power and weaknesses. For example, two eye-witnesses to a hit-and-run car accident where a person is left injured may disagree that the car that fled the scene was black or dark blue, a two-door or a four-door, but they both agree that there was car that hit someone and then ran. Power and weakness. Hey James, Thanks for the question. I think that what we have in the Bible is eye-witness accounts that have been codified by a community of faith.
That means that all the properties of eye-witness testimony apply, both the power and weaknesses. For example, two eye-witnesses to a hit-and-run car accident where a person is left injured may disagree that the car that fled the scene was black or dark blue, a two-door or a four-door, but they both agree that there was car that hit someone and then ran. Power and weakness.

]]> Comment on When it Comes to the Bible, Many Christians are disciples of Descartes by James Knight http://alexmcmanus.org/2009/05/26/when-it-comes-to-the-bible-many-christians-are-disciples-of-descartes/comment-page-1/#comment-279187 James Knight Mon, 09 May 2011 04:01:37 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=663#comment-279187 Alex, I found your page off a Facebook Ad... Thought you would like to know that. I do have a question. Do you believe that false information exists in the bible? Alex, I found your page off a Facebook Ad… Thought you would like to know that.

I do have a question. Do you believe that false information exists in the bible?

]]> Comment on Welcome to the Journey, Rob Bell. by On an adventure…into the mystic » Blog Archive » Welcome to the Journey, Rob Bell. « Roger Bird http://alexmcmanus.org/2011/03/16/welcome-to-the-journey-rob-bell/comment-page-1/#comment-278818 On an adventure…into the mystic » Blog Archive » Welcome to the Journey, Rob Bell. « Roger Bird Fri, 06 May 2011 17:00:42 +0000 http://alexmcmanus.org/?p=1280#comment-278818 [...] So, anyway, that’s why I think many evangelicals (especially leaders) will find ways to hate Love Wins. Strangely enough, the very idea that love indeed wins is honestly frightening to many. via alexmcmanus.org [...] [...] So, anyway, that’s why I think many evangelicals (especially leaders) will find ways to hate Love Wins. Strangely enough, the very idea that love indeed wins is honestly frightening to many. via alexmcmanus.org [...]

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